Friday, May 12th, 2006 at 8:29 am
[DrunkAndRetired.com Podcast] Episode 49 - The Beauty of the Nordic Bathroom, Java 6.0 (Mustang), Leaky Abstractions, TheFrontSide.net, and XML Encoding, Lordi, and the Book of Job
In this episode, Charles and Coté talk about everything from spray-down bathrooms to JSR 223 (scripting in Java). Charles also gives us an update on The Front Side, and we talk more about our 2006 JavaOne contest.
(This episode barely edited by Coté)
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May 12th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Drunk & Retired gets gets props for being the most on-time podcast I listen to. My other favorites go months between episodes sometimes, and it makes me hurt deep down when I can’t get my fix.
Of course, there is always D&R to come back to at the end of a long day, and that, my friends, is why you rock!
May 12th, 2006 at 7:21 pm
Well, thanks for the kind words, Aaron ;)
May 12th, 2006 at 11:09 pm
Another great episode guys. I like the bathroom talk
May 15th, 2006 at 5:43 am
I think FreeStyle’s catch phrase should be “the inevitable future of Ajax”.
This would be better for business than my preferred line: “FreeStyle -reinventing the X-Terminal.”
If I understand the model; if my FreeStyle application code calls setText on a component -then that component generates some kind of message to send back up the wire to the JavaScript engine -which in turn applies this change to the UI via DHTML.
So despite initiating the call to the server, the browser isn’t a client. It is in fact a GUI server. It took me so long to get used to the idea than in XTerms, the thing sitting in front of users is a “server” (when common sense tells you it is a client) -but it’s true.
Maybe I’m not describing Freestyle, and am describing something in my head instead. If this were true, then Charles wouldn’t have to worry about these two considerations:
1. Them damm leaky abstractions again. Does every keystroke in the browser really make the browser phone home? One would indeed have to “know one’s shit” to understand the potential cost of a keystroke (and forget mousemove). Maybe you could buffer keystrokes on the client (leaking) or buffer only when user was on dialup (pissing out)
And what’s on the back end?. Are you able to persist and restore state fast enough to put the app to sleep between this many ajax calls -or does there need to be some kind of abiding process like, well, like a terminal app?
more problematic
2. OK, so Charles gets it all working sweet -and we can program on the server just exactly like we were programming on the client. We are still *faking* writing client side code.
And guess who isn’t faking it? Microsoft -with their damm WPF/E. If Bill can indeed get the “best of” web deployment with XAML, *and* have all the benefits of rich, *genuine* client side stuff -then FreeStyle has a problem (as does Java, and anything else dependent on decrepid old HTML for its livelihood). Bill has a very bad assed shoe here.
With any luck I’m wrong on multiple fronts. FreeStyle looks slick, and the Ajax Terminal promises the best of all worlds -and certainly needed to be done.. Best of all, listening to the Podcast it is clear that Charles has truly made the browser his bitch
(sorry women)
(what women).
Right then. Keep up the good work. I listen to this show far too much -even though it is obvious that you are really one guy doing all those voices.
pf
oh yeah -can you please confirm you have seen Bad Taste. I just wouldn’t be comfortable listening to recommendations about Zombie movies if you hadn’t seen what the director of Lord of the Rings did when he had youth instead of budget
May 15th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
Thanks for the comments, Pete. I’ll let Charles speak to the FreeStyle stuff.
To answer your second question, yes, I’ve seen Bad Taste. Definitly. I tell people about the dude keeping his head together with his hat all the time. I’ve yet to see that idea and effect replicated.
While Dead Alive/Braindead has the lawn-mower scene, Bad Taste seems like the better of the two.
May 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
Lordi won the Eurovision Song Contest! Truly, the day of rockening is with us.
with this record of DnR endorsement, those Estonian UFO films are going to make off with the Palme D’Or at Cannes.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:13 pm
The next stop for Estonian UFO porn is clearly the MoMA.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:19 pm
[…] I’m an American, so I have no idea what “Eurovision” is. But, since Charles and I talked about Eurovision and Lordi several times, in the podcast, I thought I should let everyone know that Lordi won the Eurovision song contest. […]
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:22 pm
further to my freestyling about FreeStyle above, and following google’s red pill announcement at Java One…
..i am bound to say “and google aren’t faking it either”
they are however, faking not faking it
my new preferred FreeStyle catchphrase is
“just write java, just like google -just not freaky”
i’ll shut up now