11/18/2005 11:09:58 AM|||Cote'|||That's a nice post: it ads variety to the blog. If there's one thing refreshing to encountering in The Industry, it's when someone connects out to The Rest of the World, instead of staying all clogged up in Bytelandia.
Wasting Time With Truth
Here's one thought I was having:
No, the problem is rather the degree of conviction - the inability to take that step back, evaluate a given argument thoughtfully, rationally, and - should worst come to worst - concede a point lost.
The end result of all my philosophy studying in collage was an extreamly strong conviction that beyond "physical truths" (gravity, chemistry, and what we call "natural sciences") there really isn't much truth to hang things on. Point being, that spending your time fretting and arguing about what you should do based on The Truth of the Matter is time wasted, because there is no truth of the matter: there's just the context that feeds into that process where you "take that step back, evaluate a given argument thoughtfully, rationally."
Some people get all uppity at this point and start flailing about with words like "moral relativism" and, when they get real desperate, Hitler.
To all that, I pretty much say, "yeah, when you fall off a sky-scrapper, gravity sure does suck, doesn't it? But it's not like you getting all upset and trying to argue that it doesn't exist as you're hurtling towards the pavement is going to save your head from turning into pumpkin pie."
That is, to me, the fact that there are no moral truths is an inescapable truth, regardless of the consequences. Instead of worrying about the consequences, it seems more reasonable to start figuring out how to go on living life, e.g., by metaphorically putting fences up around sky-scraper roofs so people don't fall over them.
Absurd Rationality
Being overly rational can, of course, lead to as much zelotry as being overly-supernatural. One of my friend's father's was for barring gay marriage because:
- people should be producing off-spring.
- the point of marriage is to produce off-spring.
- thus, the government and society provide incentives for people to get married.
- providing incentives costs all of us money.
- thus, supporting marriage between people costs us money. But, because they're producing off-spring, it's worth the money.
- Two people of the same sex cannot produce off-spring.
- Thus, if two people of the same sex were married, no off-spring would be produced.
- And yet, these two people of the same sex, when married, would benefit from all the incentives the government and society give married couples.
- But, the two people of the same sex can't produce off-spring, so they're cheating the system: they're not living up to their part of the deal.
- We can't have people cheating the system.
- Thus, two people of the same sex should not get married.
As with all well laid out arguments, the logic connecting the ideas is just fine. Logic is a slippery-fuck in that regard: it'll easily lead to whatever conclusions you set up for it. The problem is with all the parts between the logic. Thankfully, the argument at hand is weird enough that you can rely on your Blinkstincs to figure out it's silly, and move on without much more though.
Unfortunately, other complex systems of morals, derived from rational thought aren't so simple to disentangle. And some of them front-load on rationality, luring in converts, and then go all nutty.
Tags: politics, phl.
|||113233368110618380|||Re: Of Everything You Know to be Right and True, Only Some Is11/18/2005 04:50:59 PM|||Roger L. Cauvin|||Funny thing: When I was getting my degree in philosophy at UT, I had a series of informal on-line debates (via bulletin board systems) with Mike Godwin, who was then editor of the university newspaper, the Daily Texan. I don't think either one of us ever brought up Nazis or Hitler in our debates. Most of our debates were over Popper and Carnap.11/29/2005 08:18:56 PM|||Doojie|||So, in a world without moral truths, why would one care about a same sex marriage law when it doesn't really prevent them from "going on living life"?11/29/2005 08:31:52 PM|||Cote'|||The lack of ultimate truth doesn't preclude me being empathetic towards others and their unfulfilled desires. (This is one of those points where Hitler usually pops in for an eye-rolling visit.) And it certainly doesn't mean I can't think other people's thoughts or the resulting laws are dumb.
More importantly, you're absolutly right: caring about same-sex marriage laws is silly in an a-moral world. Which is one of my major beefs against the anti-dude-on-dude people: it's a waste of government time to think about these issues to the degree that we do. I don't even think there's a reason for the government to be involved in marriage at all, let along saying who can and cannot get married.11/30/2005 08:55:20 PM|||Doojie|||(with sincere debate tone) I always find it perplexing when a nihilist uses rationale and reason as a prescription for living. To me, it seems to exhibit an obvious contradiction in actually practicing a nihilistic philosophy, but that?s the ?never lose a moral debate? beauty of being a nihilist. I would be interested to see a future post on your blog about why one needs a philosophy (from your point of view) and how being a nihilist fulfils that need.11/30/2005 09:01:29 PM|||Doojie|||p.s. I'm with you on less government interference and fewer crap laws. ...just wanting to have some philosophical fun. ;-)